Are these Zimbabwean dollars?
USA dollars in prices 1999.


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It looks to me as if your system is simply a recalculation of monetary values, which will end up with little if any real gain for the working class. I say this, because in your scheme, those making under a certain minimum will be obligated to spend it all.
Our goal today – to make 80% of adult citizens so called middle class citizens.
My goal – to make 95 – 100% of citizens – elite class multi professional citizens with high education level.
The structure of money spending will be the same as elite class structure but effectiveness of spending will be near 100%.


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This, then, guarantees that most will never be able to rise above that class. Add to that, that if you truly do raise the income level of all workers in a society, the cost of living will be greatly increased.
Elite can’t rise above elite.
Everybody will have good income and 26 weeks a year for free self-development.
Everybody from elite will be able to be elected in every branch and level of power not as we do it today but the way we chose jurors.



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Unless you fob off the difference by importing cheap goods from other countries, as we tend to do in the US, everything will cost so much more that the increases will be eaten up by the ordinary expenses of living.

It happens because the people of ordinary life style can’t change the structure of custom in correct progressive way when they begin to earn more money.
If increasing of prices gives decreasing of quantity of sale units – it is a strong signal that something wrong.
In my society people will see not only dynamic of prices, but dynamic of quantity of sale units.


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A great deal of your scheme seems to depend on mandatory rules and regulations. How do you propose to enforce it all?
Mandatory will be enforced only symmetrical job weeks – free weeks life style.



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30th July 2008, 11:02 PM #562
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You make test program and 50 successfully go this test.
You take the man with highest mark and 49 go home with filling that they are not good for this kind of job.
You simply make them illegal moral damage.
In my society we will not do so.
Lot between 50 successfully going professional test persons and those who win gets contract for a year.
Another 49 who wants can go lot for the second year contract and may be another 48 can go lot for the third year contract.
After this procedure those 50 persons receive letters from the company that they were successful in professional test of this company.
According this letters they can get contract job in other company.

Your ethic in this case not friendly my ethic in this case is friendly and brings statistically much more effective results.
It is Neoshabaton elite people ethics that do not want to make idol from every job place and profession.



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USA dollars in prices 1999
Utopian values in costs 1984
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USA dollars in prices 1999.



Our goal today – to make 80% of adult citizens so called middle class citizens.
My goal – to make 95 – 100% of citizens – elite class multi professional citizens with high education level.
The structure of money spending will be the same as elite class structure but effectiveness of spending will be near 100%.



Elite can’t rise above elite.
Everybody will have good income and 26 weeks a year for free self-development.
Everybody from elite will be able to be elected in every branch and level of power not as we do it today but the way we chose jurors.





It happens because the people of ordinary life style can’t change the structure of custom in correct progressive way when they begin to earn more money.
If increasing of prices gives decreasing of quantity of sale units – it is a strong signal that something wrong.
In my society people will see not only dynamic of prices, but dynamic of quantity of sale units.



Mandatory will be enforced only symmetrical job weeks – free weeks life style.
Hold it there, you're not being consistent, or at least I surmise from the word salad above that you're not - it's hard to tell sometimes. You have said that those making below a certain threshold of income would be obligated to spend it rather than investing it, while those making above a certain threshold would be obligated to invest a set part of it. This ridiculously rigid disincentive to thrift will insure that the poor (yes, the poor - if they're the lowest paid sector of the economy, they're poor, no matter how you inflate the chips you pay them with!) will remain poor, in the sense that they will forever live from paycheck to paycheck, while the rich will become richer and independent of their work through their investments.

You keep saying that you plan to make nearly all citizens "elite professionals." So who does the labor? Picks the apples; scrubs the floors of the offices at night; stands over those third world forges making the rebar and cheap pipe your professionals design into their office buildings. Do you actually have any remote conception of how the worlds goods and resources get to your doorstep?

You do realize, don't you, that to be elite, you must be separated from the bulk of the population. You cannot have a universal elite, it's a contradiction in terms. You can call them what you want, but if everyone is something, it is not elite.
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You have said that those making below a certain threshold of income would be obligated to spend it rather than investing it, while those making above a certain threshold would be obligated to invest a set part of it.
Exactly.


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This ridiculously rigid disincentive to thrift will insure that the poor (yes, the poor - if they're the lowest paid sector of the economy, they're poor, no matter how you inflate the chips you pay them with!) will remain poor, in the sense that they will forever live from paycheck to paycheck, while the rich will become richer and independent of their work through their investments.
With $100000 in prices of 1999 year it is difficult to be poor man.

But you are right it remains principal great gap between investing and spending money people and only spending money people.

So I have to correct my imperative.
Every man have right to spend or invest his money in every legal way, but he have to spend or invest them fully for maximally long one job stage – free stage time.
Maximally long job stage – free stage time will be 52 weeks – job stage (with one day free in a week) and 52 weeks of free stage.
So every dollar you have earned can be on your account not more than two years from the time you earn it.

My recommendation – to carry coefficient of social justice in money spending area.
If welfare person spends 1 unit of money, minimal earning person spends 1,75 units of money, middle earning person spend 3.5 units of money and high earning person spends 7 units of money in the same period.
It means that coefficient of justice in our society is 7.
Coefficient of justice between middle earning persons and elite is 7/3.5=2
CJ between middle earning and minimal earning persons 3.5/1.75=2
CJ between minimal earning and welfare persons 1.75/1=1.75
CJ between 90% people of our society 7/3.5=2. (Middle earning people 80%, high earning people 10%)
Once more – it is just recommendations and not mandates.
Mandate is symmetrically free weeks – job weeks life style, not more than 60 job hours a week with one free day a week in job stages period, really right to get job according professional skills, full money spending and investment demands for two years period.


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You keep saying that you plan to make nearly all citizens "elite professionals." So who does the labor? Picks the apples; scrubs the floors of the offices at night; stands over those third world forges making the rebar and cheap pipe your professionals design into their office buildings. Do you actually have any remote conception of how the worlds goods and resources get to your doorstep?
Those kind of job will be equally distribute between elite high graduated people of new lifestyle.
Only in this way we can force society to make all those kind of jobs – robot implementing jobs.

In Totally Elite new lifestyle society most of those kinds of jobs will be minimized and distributing equally.



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You do realize, don't you, that to be elite, you must be separated from the bulk of the population. You cannot have a universal elite, it's a contradiction in terms. You can call them what you want, but if everyone is something, it is not elite.
Look!
If Bush can be the president of USA for 8 years than every lot changing high-educated person can be president of USA.
There is two ways to implement my idea of totally elite society – negative one and positive one.
Negative one – to force elite gropes to live the same quality of life as middle class groups.
Positive one – to force middle class groups to live the same quality of life as elite class groups.
My way is a positive way.

I am the son of Judah as every Jew.
David and Solomon and Jesus were from the same family.
Every Jew is from kings of kings family.

So we all are elite people.
And the same filing I want to bring to all worldwide people.

It is time of positive world total elitesation and New Shabaton life style.



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The fact that the president of the United States is an ignorant clown (no argument there, by the way) may not be the best argument for your system. After all, things are not going very well for us here, are they? The fact that it can happen here is not a recommendation to make it happen everywhere.
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The fact that the president of the United States is an ignorant clown (no argument there, by the way) may not be the best argument for your system
I can just imagine Dubbya trying to get his tongue around NC's HRT:



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I think you'll have difficulty getting the professionals to dig ditches and pull weeds. The method of high incentives has been tried, and failed. Pol Pot tried another way, but there were a few little glitches there (look him up if you need to). How are you going to accomplish this?
Prince of Grate Britain worked in pigpen.
In my system all elite class people will work on every possible non-prestige kinds of work for 1/7 of their time job days, and all elite professional people will do so till it will be need.
All persons except psychiatry ill persons will have elite high level all life long multi professional education and will be elite class persons.
Everybody who agree from them would have possibility to be in power of four branches and all levels according lot and not more than one year.
The 4th power brunch is four world religious one.
Try to presume that you have only high-educated multi professional people with max possible level of each other exchangeability in every possible function.
Think what social construction you will design from those people.
It is absolutely clear that not prestige and not creative work will be equally distributed and minimalist in every possible way.

Stalin, Mao, Kim, Pol Pot used slaves from there citizens – west use slaves from not high developed countries citizens and from illegal emigrants.
My NEOSHABAT ideology will make elite class people from their children and the world of only first sort people.


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West system is not so bad as Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Kim system, but it is bad and not good system – we have remember it every day.
The fact that the president of the United States is an ignorant clown (no argument there, by the way) may not be the best argument for your system. After all, things are not going very well for us here, are they? The fact that it can happen here is not a recommendation to make it happen everywhere.
Today way of internet every young man worldwide can get high level degree from Oxford, Sarbona, Massachusetts Tech, Cambridge.
Why we are out of total realization of this great and progressive possibilities?!

Expansive Universe - Expansive Elite world will be built.



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Prince of Grate Britain worked in pigpen.
In my system all elite class people will work on every possible non-prestige kinds of work for 1/7 of their time job days, and all elite professional people will do so till it will be need.
It seems you know just as much about social engineering as you do about economics...


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Today way of internet every young man worldwide can get high level degree
And yet, it seems, you are incapable of writing even ONE coherent - let alone grammatically correct - post
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It seems you know just as much about social engineering as you do about economics...
I am very happy that you begin to use my terminology “HRL”, Social engineering and design, NS, OS, Symmetrical lifestyle, Neoshabaton as optimal freedom, Triresurrection ”.
I wish your understanding the meaning of those words more deeply.


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And yet, it seems, you are incapable of writing even ONE coherent - let alone grammatically correct - post
The ideas in my posts are deeply correct, because they gives really way to make every worldwide man elite class man.
Read Torah once more.
It will become clear to you that to carry full Shabat means to carry symmetry between job days and free days.
It means to carry freedom.

For example, you are elite and I am pariah in well-designed society.
It means that lifestyle you live 7 days a week I live only 1 day a week.
It gives me really knowledge what elite lifestyle means.
If I know what it mean I will stream to live 2, than 3, than 4, than 5, than 6, than 7 days a week as elite person.
My social design gives even to welfare person to live one days a week as elite person.

But it is much better and it is really possible to achieve society with out welfare persons.
In my society with welfare persons coefficient of justice is elite person spending income/welfare person spending income – 7/1=7.
In my society with out welfare persons coefficient of justice is
elite person spending income/ minimal earning person spending income – 7/2=3.5.
It is really two times more justice society.

The more people will be elite class people the more coefficient of justice will be near it’s limit of positive justice – 1.
The more people will be minimal hour earning people the more coefficient of justice will be near it’s limit of negative justice.
The more people will be middle hour earning people the more coefficient of justice will be near it’s not positive and not negative justice.

So let us go to positive limit of justice – the totally elite society.



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I am very happy that you begin to use my terminology
Whoa! Your terminology? Don't be absurd! You evidently lack a fundamental comprehension of how societies work, let alone how they can be re-engineered


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The ideas in my posts are deeply correct
Bollocks

Stop taking the piss NC, you're not fooling anyone other than yourself


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In my society with out welfare persons coefficient of justice is
elite person spending income/ minimal earning person spending income – 7/2=3.5.
It is really two times more justice society.
Just so you know, this is - literally speaking - nonsense; it does NOT make sense, not in English or in any other language


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Today way of internet every young man worldwide can get high level degree from Oxford, Sarbona, Massachusetts Tech, Cambridge.
If your fantastic plan has any substance to it, why can't you communicate properly?
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Today way of internet every young man worldwide can get high level degree from Oxford, Sarbona, Massachusetts Tech, Cambridge.
Why we are out of total realization of this great and progressive possibilities?!

Expansive Universe - Expansive Elite world will be built.
Utter nonsense betraying an almost unbelievable ignorance of the world. Most of the young men in the world are too poor to have computers or internet access, and lack both the literacy and the free time to take degrees. What planet are you from?
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Utter nonsense betraying an almost unbelievable ignorance of the world. Most of the young men in the world are too poor to have computers or internet access, and lack both the literacy and the free time to take degrees. What planet are you from?
New Shabaton – symmetrically job weeks – free weeks totally using lifestyle (26 creative weeks of real freedom in a year to everybody!!) and modern communication environment of totally opening society gives real possibility to achieve only elite creative citizens’ multicultural super effective global society.



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New Shabaton – symmetrically job weeks – free weeks totally using lifestyle (26 creative weeks of real freedom in a year to everybody!!) and modern communication environment of totally opening society gives real possibility to achieve only elite creative citizens’ multicultural super effective global society.
Whatever technique you are employing to translate your thoughts into English is about as effective as a chocolate teapot... it simply makes a mess
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Posts: 124 The chain of evidence that gives the base of theory of multicultural global world of only multicultural high graduated elite exclusively creative citizens.

The chain of one level resurrections and bi, trio and Quadra entities creations.

1Christ Resurrection

2Holy Language Resurrection

3Israel Resurrection

4Full Shabaton Resurrection (To carry according Torah Saturday, every tenth day of Bible month, every seventh Bible month, every seventh year and fiftieth year and about three weeks of Holidays job free, that gives symmetry of free days and job days to every Israel Jew according my discover)

5Death Saturday 7th day after destroying the Second Temple.

6Sunday 7th day creation in the 4th century when Christianity became the state religion of Roman Empire.
It was first resurrection of Holly 7th day, but not resurrection of Saturday, as international free from job day of week.

7Friday 7th day creation by Muslims in Halifax Empire in 7th century.
It was second resurrection of Holly 7th day but not resurrection of Saturday, as international free from job day of week.


8Saturday resurrection as international free from job day of a week when people began totally using of five job days week in earliest 60th of 20th century.
Mono 7th day week in almost all-high developed countries was recreated in bi - 7th days Sunday Saturday (SS) week.

9About 15 years ago France began total using of 35 job hours week.
It gave the possibility to have 3 job – free days a week – Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Bi – 7th day week was totally recreated in Trio – 7th days Friday, Saturday, Sunday (FSS) week.

In many France’s companies people work from Monday till Wednesday 10 job hours and 5 hours on Thursday.
So we can say, that they work 3.5 days a week and they are free 3.5 days a week.

So they almost really have New Shabaton Symmetrical job days – free days life style.
All what I urge – to go one more step further not to symmetrical job days – free days life style, but to symmetrical job weeks – free weeks lifestyle with 30 job hours week.

So we really have trio – 7th Holly days world in France.
Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and others France citizens are trio – 7th Holly days’ citizens and they are happy being really in consensus about Tri7th Holly Days week.

10Next step will be creation of trio and multilingual persons – post monolingual, four world religious four oriented, national – international – cosmopolitan – trio orientated, libertarian – socialistic – bi orientated, job – free weeks symmetrically bi orientated person.

LET US BEGIN THIS NEW STEP FROM ESTABLISHMENT OF SYMMETRICALL JOB WEEKS – FREE WEEKS WORLD TOTALL SYSTEM WITH NOT MORE THAN 60 JOB HOURES IN A JOB WEEK.



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9About 15 years ago France began total using of 35 job hours week.
It gave the possibility to have 3 job – free days a week – Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Bi – 7th day week was totally recreated in Trio – 7th days Friday, Saturday, Sunday (FSS) week.

In many France’s companies people work from Monday till Wednesday 10 job hours and 5 hours on Thursday.
So we can say, that they work 3.5 days a week and they are free 3.5 days a week.

And the French system has proven to be unworkable and is currently being dismantled.

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And the French system has proven to be unworkable and is currently being dismantled.
French freedom and creativity comfort urging social system is the most advanced social system in the world, but it has to develop future to free weeks – job weeks symmetry.



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"If I'm forced to work 235 days, my personal life will suffer," said demonstrator Arnaud de la Bergerie, a 27-year-old mechanical engineer. "We'll have more pay but less time to spend our salary."
26 weeks of creative vacation in a year will be good present for those sorts of persons.
182 working days a year – maximum quantity of days the man will work according New Shabaton system.
NOT A MAN FOR TODAY’S ORDINARY LIFESTYLE BUT NEW SHABATON’S LIFESTYLE FOR A MAN!



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